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Silver strip not stripping
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Silver strip not stripping
I waited a couple months to try to strip off some liquid silver, and I used some stripper that I finally tried to use that has been sitting since Micro. It didn't take much off. Did the Silver set up extra tough, or does the stripper get old? I guess Letterhead panels and 3 kids don't mix too well. What do I do now?
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I haven't known silver strip to have a shelf life, although it can be mixed to varying strenghths. I mix it up, not quite orange juice color. Try some silver strip on some cotton with a few swipes over your bon ami bar, then gently scrub at the silver to see if it will come off. ...and yes, I believe the longer it sits, the stronger the bond gets (up tp a certain point). If that doesn't work, you could try muriatic acid, but go easy, a little at a time, wiping it off as soon as the silver is removed, so as not to undercut your backing paint. Hope that helps.
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Silver Strip does not have a shelf life but if your glass has been sitting around awhile it may have acquired a thin layer of grease/dust/smog something that is blocking the action. As Larry says, the abrasive in the Bon Ami should help. You can also make a paste with silver strip and pumice (to save on Bon Ami). Q-tips are very handy for working around the letters.
The silver layer will not get stronger as it ages - if anything it gets weaker as it oxidizes. Silver dissolves completely in nitric acid but I sure would be careful with that. Muriatic acid is hydrochloric acid which will react less with silver than the nitric acid.
If you are interested, we have a new two part silver strip that is much less toxic than the old stuff. It's not on our website yet because we are hoping to develop a powdered form to save on shipping. Let us know if you'd like to try it in its current liquid form.
Also the "receipe" for the old silver strip - the orange one - is 1 avoir ounce to 1 quart of tap water.
The silver layer will not get stronger as it ages - if anything it gets weaker as it oxidizes. Silver dissolves completely in nitric acid but I sure would be careful with that. Muriatic acid is hydrochloric acid which will react less with silver than the nitric acid.
If you are interested, we have a new two part silver strip that is much less toxic than the old stuff. It's not on our website yet because we are hoping to develop a powdered form to save on shipping. Let us know if you'd like to try it in its current liquid form.
Also the "receipe" for the old silver strip - the orange one - is 1 avoir ounce to 1 quart of tap water.
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silver strip
I was having the same issue and was on the phone with Sarah experimenting with pumice which worked so much better than BonAmi. I find that letting the silver strip soak a while helps to break down the silver. However, BonAmi worked fine after backup with the silver strip which is good because pumice would be too aggressive for some of the fine lines.
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Silver Strip update
I was just scrolling down and realized that I had not posted an update. Sarah sent me some of the two component strip and it is far superior to the olde stuff. Just a light wipe with dampended cotton will dissolve the silver, no rubbing or abraisive needed. It is especially good over fine lines and the rough areas of chip etc. I can cleanup a 2' square size project with just 10 ml of the mixture. It is almost like waving a magic wand at the silver, it works so much better.
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Silver Hard To Remove
Steven...
My question is how did you put the silver on the glass?
I am just starting to pour metal so I'm interested different techniques.
In my life adventures I read about pouring mirrors as follows.
Clean glass, make 2 batches of chemicals, heat one batch. then tin as usual, water rinse, mix and pour the room temperature batch, water rinse, mix and pour the heated batch, and air dry.
I tried it the last time I poured silver and I think I got a more brilliant mirror.
The next time I pour, I plan on doing 2 pieces of glass side by side and compare.
This reminds me of the hot flow coat that some people use when glass gilding.
When scrubbing the silver, could the tin (SnCl2) mix ratio make a difference when removing the silver? Diluted Nitric would never fail to remove the silver because it dissolves the silver, but it may clean everything else off the glass also!!
My question is how did you put the silver on the glass?
I am just starting to pour metal so I'm interested different techniques.
In my life adventures I read about pouring mirrors as follows.
Clean glass, make 2 batches of chemicals, heat one batch. then tin as usual, water rinse, mix and pour the room temperature batch, water rinse, mix and pour the heated batch, and air dry.
I tried it the last time I poured silver and I think I got a more brilliant mirror.
The next time I pour, I plan on doing 2 pieces of glass side by side and compare.
This reminds me of the hot flow coat that some people use when glass gilding.
When scrubbing the silver, could the tin (SnCl2) mix ratio make a difference when removing the silver? Diluted Nitric would never fail to remove the silver because it dissolves the silver, but it may clean everything else off the glass also!!
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Hey Kent,
Thanks for the beta testing and thanks very much for the favorable review.
We haven't got the formula into powdered form yet, but the new liquid formula should be up on our website today or tomorrow. Isn't it great when you can find a new formulation that works well AND is less toxic than the old stuff? We also have a new, less toxic Copper Remover. The Silver Remover does not remove copper or galena. The new Copper Remover only removes copper. This could lead to some interesting new techniques, if only I could figure them out.
PS Larry asked some time back if you could silver directly over the copper. The answer is yes - it works great - just like silvering over the gold except that the silver does not show through. A copper glue-chipped line on a silver background is gorgeous and has a much higher contrast than a gold line on a silver background.
Thanks for the beta testing and thanks very much for the favorable review.
We haven't got the formula into powdered form yet, but the new liquid formula should be up on our website today or tomorrow. Isn't it great when you can find a new formulation that works well AND is less toxic than the old stuff? We also have a new, less toxic Copper Remover. The Silver Remover does not remove copper or galena. The new Copper Remover only removes copper. This could lead to some interesting new techniques, if only I could figure them out.
PS Larry asked some time back if you could silver directly over the copper. The answer is yes - it works great - just like silvering over the gold except that the silver does not show through. A copper glue-chipped line on a silver background is gorgeous and has a much higher contrast than a gold line on a silver background.
Sarah King
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This post come back to life.
James,
Larry White silvered the piece on his tailgate with I think Angel Gild Silver. And he makes it look so easy, but I left it on for 6 months. It's still on there, but now there's the magic solution that I gotta try. There's tons of info about it on Angelgilding.com
Larry White silvered the piece on his tailgate with I think Angel Gild Silver. And he makes it look so easy, but I left it on for 6 months. It's still on there, but now there's the magic solution that I gotta try. There's tons of info about it on Angelgilding.com