Note: We moved several Signs In Movies into this single post.
Movies include Shootist, Seabiscuit, Lord of the Rings, Elf
Posted by Bill masters on January 09, 2004
Posted by Carol on December 29, 2003Check out The Shootist with John Wayne some nice glass and hand painted signs also Jack the Ripper with Michael Cain a lot of scenes take place in a English Pub lots of glass,looks like it could be acid etched.
Mike JacksonI'm always late seeing flics. Finally I saw Seabiscuit and am wondering what anyone thought of the signs. I thought they were pretty authentic, but a little too perfect. The camera did catch a brush stroke up close and personal so you could tell it wasn't vinyl.
Yes, I thought they did a good job on the signs in the movie. Considering some of the race tracks probably had good budgets for signage, and this time span might still be the golden age of hand lettering, I think they hit it pretty well.
I was watching Pearl Harbor on DVD here the other day and saw one shot from inside the barber shot--looking out. You could easily see the double stroked hand lettering in the front window. Tyler and I watched The Last Samauri last week. There were some really nice victorian age sets...not too many signs but well done across the board.
I took Darla to see Cold Mountain a couple of days ago. It had quite a few understated signs scattered around the little town. They weren't quite as dominant or plentiful as in Open Range, but they did add some flavor to the town.
Lastly, I don't recall seeing any signs in the Lord of the Rings trilogy, but I really enjoyed the ornamentation in the buildings and props.
There might have been a time when the movie studios snuck some vinyl into some of the retro movies, but it seems they are over that by now.
Happy new year!
Jeffrey P. Lang
Rick SacksCarol & Mike,
One of the first signs I noticed in that movie was the window lettering shot from inside the Bicycle shop looking out. You could see the brush strokes in the lettering & outlines. I thought there were many appropriate examples.
Jon HarlI've worked with the art director of Seabiscuit in the past and she is into keeping things more genuine than computer fonts on period pieces. I have not yet asked who did that show.
Lord of the RingsIn the "Fellowship of the Ring" the inn they met Aragorn at had a hanging sign out front. It was shown when the 4 Hobbits first arrived. The only reason I know this is I watched it last Tuesday and was looking for cool signs. It's the only sign of the Trilogy.
Posted by Mike Jackson on December 24, 2004
Raymond ChapmanI watched Lord of the Rings last chapter the other day, and the two previous shows have been on cable almost all the time lately. Tyler read the books and keeps me filled in on what is happening in the movies if I get lost.
Anyway, the underlying plot of the movie is "The Ring" is trying to get back to its master. As I read some of the posts about Angel Gilding here, it appears the Angel Gild formula(s)/Process is trying to make itself known to all again. While there may be a few with financial interests in keeping it a secret, I can only say IF it wants to be known, this will probably be THE place to do it. If and when that happens, I'll be happy to create the page or pages in the Rick Glawson section.
Even if the actual formula becomes public knowledge, I suspect there will be a few people like Sarah King who will make it easy for the rest of us by supplying all the necessary chemicals with one simple order. From what I have seen, dissolving the gold into gold chloride takes quite a few delicate steps, along with some potentially dangerous acids.
The beauty of the Hand Lettering Forum would be a sounding board for people working on the process. It appears there are three or four very qualified readers here to help the rest of us.
"Fellowship of the Gild"
After reading the formula for Angel Gild and all the close tolerances for mixing it would seem to be a lot easier just to order it from Sarah. There are so many variables to the formula that it is evident there would be a lot of waste until the precise procedure is finally found.
Not to mention the danger of working with some very potent chemicals.
What is great about this forum is that so many are willing to share what they know. The "secret" of the Angel Gild formula may be persued by some for financial gain, but I suppose most just want to know how it is done for their own satisfaction of knowing and producing it for themselves.
Mike JacksonThe discussion between Robare and Chris seems to be one of the more fascinating that I've read here to date. I have no inclination to ever follow the process personally, but find that knowing it elevates my appreciation. Having the process more public, enables improvements without needing to start at the beginning. I don't think the making of this solution will make anyone rich, but it enriches all of us that use it. Thanks folks. Oh, Mike, I also appreciate your comparison to the theme in the books.
Rick gave "his" formula to a few people for safe keeping, and there were other formulas that worked, too. While most of us in the sign trade depended on Rick Glawson for our Angel Gild kits, there were numerous other glass and mirroring people all around the world using it day to day without regard to the sign trade. Now that Rick's estate has been settled, and it appears Lola has no stake in the formula, it looks like the numerous formulas are getting restless--wanting to be revealed.
At one time, I felt the need to keep it secret because it was part of how Rick paid his bills. As you mentioned, I doubt that more than a dozen or maybe two dozen people would ever pursue the production steps, even if the entire step by step process was made public on this site or somewhere else.
From my personal standpoint, this all resembles a vehicle. I don't want to make one, nor fix one. If the purpose of the vehicle is to get me from one place to another, I only need to know how to drive it. It is nice to know the formula won't be lost, all the same.
ELFFor me, it is like paints. I like to know the chemistry so that when something goes wrong or I need to tweek the product, I know where to start. While I "made paints" in small batches at the Garnerville Plant, I have no desire to do so either for myself or as a trade. I feel the same about gold chloride. What I get paid the big money for has nothing to do with making my own supplies. Rick tweeked known formulations to get a solution that worked well for his purposes and many of us benefitted from that work. He also spoiled a lot of batches in getting to that formula. I am certain that there will always be a source for a workable material. Our knowledge base can only help those suppliers provide us with the best product for our purposes.
Posted by Mike Jackson on November 08, 2003
Doug Fielder: March 15, 2005Darla and I went to the new movie "Elf" tonight. Towards the end, there was a real sign painter with a mahl stick lettering a door. Refreshing! Lately, many similar instances show someone peeling the transfer tape off the vinyl lettering.
I personally enjoyed the opening credits sequence. Great illustrations!..and fun use of showcards with digital characters.
If you are a fan of Saturday Night Live, you will enjoy the movie.
I love that movie, and just bought it over the weekend!
I now have to look for the signpainter.