Interesting Rawson and Evans lawsuit proceeding files

[Leo Calleros]

Found these legal documents on Rawson and Evans pertaining to a couple of lawsuits the appeared to have filed against 2 different companies. The Suess Ornamental Glass company and the Westen Sandblast Company.

Seems like this one brought upon by Charles Rawson was succesful

http://bulk.resource.org/courts.gov/c/U ... 7.168.html

While these 2 files seem to show that the suit was dismissed

http://bulk.resource.org/courts.gov/c/F ... 1.0706.pdf

http://bulk.resource.org/courts.gov/c/F ... 1.0198.pdf

I reckoned that these documents might be of interest here. Sorry if its a re-post or common knowledge.

[erik winkler]

Soap instead of Asphaltum?!!!!
Did anybody knew that?
And how can you put a sandblast resist on a film of soap?

[Leo Calleros]

I was trying to figure out how that worked, myself. Maybe it worked good with the oil soaked paper. Wonder what kind of soap it was.

[Kelly Thorson]

Its sounds as if the soap was the material used to "glue" the oilcloth to the glass. There were a lot of changes happening in the making of soap during that period, so the recipie for that particular soap may well have been different than the basic animal fat and lye water combination of the previous century. Catherine Kennedy may have some knowledge of that. Interesting stuff, it would be fun to try and recreate the process.

[Robare M. Novou]

Maybe its a misprint...what if they really meant sap....sap is sticky, isn't it?


And about those lawsuits....they (meaning Rawson and Evans) never won any of the lawsuits they filed.

And if you want to know who invented (patented it first) chipped glass...the answer is in there in the judges remarks.

Hint: its a number, not a word.

and when you find the number...go to http://www.uspto.gov and look it up.

RMN

[erik winkler]

Aaagh why so cryptic?! "Is it soap or is it sap" it is not R&E but a number.... and when you find that three the pot of gold is not far away....
Do you really think it is sap?
Well i like digging through archives,so i will look up the number and keep it a dark dark secret....
Erik

[erik winkler]

I found the archive pieces, but they really speak numeral times about soap and not sap. I think i take the jokes to serious... But why soap. Later on I found the original patent of the one who used the glue chipping process, but he works with varnish as a resist to the glue. Did not know that....

[Robare M. Novou]

Sap? hmmmmmmm, maybe I'll patent the idea of using sap to hold down the resist, only to have it ruled null and voided by the court for lack of "New or Novelty of Invention".

Has anyone patented the idea of using paint masking vinyl for a resist on glass?

Anyways, yes, that was a Sappy Joke!

And it was not a misprint, it was definitively "soap".

According to the specifications of the patent, the soap was applied with a sponge or cloth.
The soap held down the oil paper to allow the cutting out of the design, the blasting of the glass with sand, and the application of the hot (glue) chipping compound. Thats some soap! Its hard to believe soap can do that.
Someone should try it to see if it really works as the patent claims it does.

Max Suess did.

The reason for the soap as an adhesive for the oil paper, was the fact that the oil paper pattern could be easily removed from the glass, once the glue had gelled to the proper consistancy.

One also has to remember that Rawson and Evans was geared to run in and at high speed production rates.
any hard to remove patterns slowed down the production rates. Soap made it quick and easy to keep pace.

I remember oiled cardboard. Used it in grade school for art projects. Do they still make it?

Will have to google that for the answer, unless someone here can supply the answer.

RMN

[Robare M. Novou]

While on a trip to visit Robert Frese in Chicago, I noticed he has an original Rawson and Evans sign, its curved glass, chipped and gilt....gilt with gold leaf, not gold solution.

Robert told me that its all original, with no restoration. I thought that maybe it had been restored using gold leaf and not gold solution, as maybe the restorer had not been familar with solution gilding.

I have an original R&E sign, as do Jeff Lang and Roderick, these appear to have been solution gilt.

Bill Masters also has an original R&E sign, Bill confirmed that it was done with gold leaf, and is not a restoration.

So here I am, wondering about R&E signs that were gilt with gold, and thinking that they were all done with solutiong gilding, not leaf. A fair assumption, right? Considering all the praise they get for their unique solution gilding process.

It appears that they were not all gilt with solution, especially not in the beginning years.

Mr Masters' and Mr Frese's R&E signs, appear to be of clients that existed in the 1890's.

Whereas Mr. Lang's, Mr. Roderick's, and mine, appear to have been made during or after 1915.

Evidence for this is listed in two sources:

1) The 1918 Andres Gold Solution gilding patent, which was applied for in 1915
In it he states (or lies) that before his formula, gilding had to be done with gold leaf.
(about the "lie", solution gilding had been going on for 30 years prior to 1915)

2) The 1923 December edition of Signs of the Times, is an article about Andres solution
gilding, it states that this process had been in use as far back as 1915 by a large
chicago glass sign manufacturer. (that being R&E)

So this maybe a way of dating R&E signage. If anyone else has an original R&E sign, that you believe is all original, take a closer look at it, is it real, or is it Memorex?

RMN